Decklists for Sky Glye/Sutraps

[redshirt]

Being a lazy netdecker, I was interested in seeing a good list for what I'd dub Sky Glye and/or Sutraps' Flying Circus.

The basic idea of the decks are the same: swing with your fat characters and creatures and use Magical Wings to put them to the air over most chump blockers.

But I'm not sure how much in the way of Wizards you want to put out. In the case of Sutraps, do you just want to use undead wizards that he can put out for free on his opponent's turn? Because they kind of all are mediocre.

Should the fact that no such deck has made a top 3 at Regionals or the Top 8 at MEGA Face-Off be a sign that the deck may not be worth building?

Or with Slave Driver banned and with some of the cards from Dark Union, are Sky Glye and Sutraps going to get a big enough boost that they would be worth playing over LPR's card drawing ability and Zycon's wizardry?

[tirus]

I have beaten Zycon wizardry with a Flying sutraps deck.

I don't know what they use over in windy, but I will not spill my secrets on the forums. Only after it places in a major event.

[synergy]

the deck is very solid. when i was facing becca (running flying glye) i beat her by stalling into a slave driver. the deck can handle many things but slave driver puts out too many answers. without driver the deck is WAY better. i have never built it but becca/shawn/chris have a list. i love wizzards and occasional agro.

and jees tirus doesnt like to spill secrets.... id post my deck all day....... wats up with everyne and their secrets.

[redshirt]

Well, I can understand why someone would be reluctant to post a deck in general. By having it or some aspect of it be a surprise, they think they will have a chance at out-performing the competition.

But I think it's healthier for ME as a whole if as many decklists are out there. Look at the other games with organized play. While pros might hold on to some tech here and there, the basic archetypes are pretty well known.

And in the case of these two decks, neither will come as a complete surprise. It's just a question of how many of which cards do you run, as opposed to a deck coming in from left field.

[Deleted]

Tirus, as R&D Director, part of your role is to encourage the definiiton of all deck types and new metagames. Thus, you should encourage the build of this or any other deck. Whether you reveal your "secrets" (lol, um, insecurity issues, lol, j/k) is up to you, but a suggestion of what wizard mix or whatnot is definitely within reason. What I mean is, don't leave them guessing without at least a hint of the right direction.

On the other hand, Redshirt, you are the reason Tirus and others like him don't like posting decks. I understand that more decklists out there promote health, but for the sake of providing ideas of direction, hopefully not to be copied. Lazy netdecker, is that how you put it? C'mon, man...aspire to be better than that...creating something is where the true glory is.

Redshirt, I don't know what they use in Cali, but I'm not sure which undead Wizard combines well with Sutraps to add the Magical Wing cost. I don't pretend to be an expert on the matter this not being my style of deck, but I have seen and would look into Sacrificial Lamb(?, is that the name? You know, the Rogue from the Spirit Song deck) from base set and perhaps Light Zaubergoblin from Reckoning. Fill the deck out with choice Undead Creatures, like Decrepit Fighter. Cranials and Sneaky are almost a must as well. See what you come up with...

I'm with Blaine, in that I don't keep secrets. In fact, I like to use the fact that hot decks are posted out there to my advantage. But that's another subject. Just know that I don't mean offense, and just want us all to speak the same language. Good luck!

[redshirt]

You have a point, Q, but in rebuttal:

1. As much as I love ME, I don't want to devote 100 percent of my gaming life to it. The easiest way to cut corners is to tweak an established deck.

2. Even if I were to come up with my own decks from scratch, I would want to test them against the top contenders, so I would still want an approximate decklist for them.

3. Reasonable people will disagree, but I think there's just as much glory in someone doing well with an established deck as there is in someone doing well with a deck largely of their own creation. Or to put it another way, I bet the person who was the only non-LPR player in the MEGA Face Off Top 8 would gladly forego whatever props he might get for having a more original deck in exchange for one of the top three prizes.

[sobrokenjay]

well, i have an absolutley original deck. Its sumthing i like to call glye combo, it contains just about as many differnt win conditions as u cood imagin cramming into a deck. Its undefeated in tournement play granted its only been in 4 tournys but its takin first every time. im considering posting it in a new thread very shortly. till then my opinion is a sky glye/ sutraps deck is definetlly worth building

[redshirt]

Congrats. I hope you do post your Glye combo deck.

[synergy]

i really wish i had a list. i love posting all decks i have but i dont have that one.

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redshirt said:

You have a point, Q, but in rebuttal:

1. As much as I love ME, I don't want to devote 100 percent of my gaming life to it. The easiest way to cut corners is to tweak an established deck.

2. Even if I were to come up with my own decks from scratch, I would want to test them against the top contenders, so I would still want an approximate decklist for them.

3. Reasonable people will disagree, but I think there's just as much glory in someone doing well with an established deck as there is in someone doing well with a deck largely of their own creation. Or to put it another way, I bet the person who was the only non-LPR player in the MEGA Face Off Top 8 would gladly forego whatever props he might get for having a more original deck in exchange for one of the top three prizes.

Um...

1. You wouldn't need to devote 100%, you'd simply need to enjoy yourself in whatever time you do give it. When you truly know how to enjoy something, you don't cut corners.

2. If you created something original, and whoop butt with it, you are the top deck. Forget about the whole idea of what a 'top deck' is...its an illusionary construct meant to create fear. Just play your thing and try to guess what your opponent will play...test at tournaments. Looking at others decks is like looking at my hand at poker...its actually cheating. Sure, I might guess what your 2 hole cards are and have an advantage, but if you showed me your hand before I make my bet, then you took the whole point out of playing against someone else...I could have played at home by myself that way.

3. Only players who are only concerned with winning can be described as what you are suggesting. I don't think Norm is like that, but I hope I'm wrong, because if he is like me, I would take your words almost offensively. I care more about my fun and my ability...props that belong to me. Prizes and honors are secondary...always.

I appreciate your rebuttal, but I realize now we are not having a debate...we're representing 2 entirely different worlds (even if we're both Windy, lol), so I apologize to you for getting myself involved and will withdraw. I play to play, enjoying wins where I get them, but enjoy my game all the time. I realize that I am probably a person who will never understand this concept of netdecking beyond a simple curiousity to metagame, but too much netdecking to me defeats the purpose. I'd rather be good than lucky. I'd rather beat you knowing I myself had you and not that it was up to someone else. There is no glory there for me. Sorry but excuse me boys. I'm off for greener pastures!

[tirus]

Creating the deck is only half the battle, skill in running the deck is very much apart of winning. And their is just as much glory in winning with your own deck or a netdeck. However.. it's not as honorable.

Anyways. Your right Q, I should encourage the metagame as much as possible, we all should.

I still won't post MY deck, but I will post my suggestions.

1, I think any undead you can controll with sutraps is a must.

Decrepid fighter, Cackling leech, Bone mage, Worker Zombie, Worker Skeleton and Jojo come to mind. There may be more, but these are what I use.

Decrepid Fighter x 4
Cackling Leech x 4
Bone mage x 4
Worker Zombie x 3
Worker Skeleton x 3

Now anything that can give you extra actions is absolutely needed.
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So ring of temporal and Devil's contract are in.

Ring of temporal x 2
Devil's Contract x 2

So that's about 22 or so cards right there.

I'd also through in Sword of quickness. it's useful.

Sword of quickness x 2

24

And 8 of your undeads are wizards, so wizard recruit is a nice add. And also worker Zombie and Skeleton are builders so you could add build recruiter too.

Wizard Recruiter x 2
Builder Recruiter x 2

28

Ok some spells. I think Spontaneous combustion works good. And of course Magical wings.

Spontanious Combustion x 4
Magical Wings x 4

36

Now of course to play Magical wings you need Sacrificial Lamb And Light Zaubergoblin.

Sacrificial Lamb x 4
Light Zaubergoblin x 3

43

Now I think Cranial Leech and Sneaky Snyder are of course a nice addition

Snyder x3
Cranial Leech x 3

49

Alright. I think that's a pretty basic sutraps deck. Now mine is like.. 50% different. But I think that shows the variaty this deck can have.

The final deck list.

Decrepid Fighter x 4
Cackling Leech x 4
Bone mage x 4
Worker Zombie x 3
Worker Skeleton x 3
Ring of temporal x 2
Devil's Contract x 2
Sword of quickness x 2
Wizard Recruiter x 2
Builder Recruiter x 2
Spontanious Combustion x 4
Magical Wings x 4
Sacrificial Lamb x 4
Light Zaubergoblin x 3
Snyder x3
Cranial Leech x 3

here ya go.

Any comments?

[Deleted]

Very nice. Seemed quick and easy. I might even copy/paste this over to the newcoming deck garage. Nice job, Tirus. It is basic and simple, yet it's still efficient and cool.

[redshirt]

Thanks! I'll give it a whirl and see, with a few tweaks.

[Deleted]

Alright, in case anyone hasn't noticed, I did move this over to the deck garage. Hopefully anyone who posts decklists for whatever reason will do it there, and in that way it will work as our very own ME Deck Archive...awesome!