Bedrock Plains

[Keith Katsikas]

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Bedrock Plains
Structure
Terrain
(x)
(Whenever a Terrian card enters play you must place a creature you control on it or it is discarded. The Terrian Integrity is equal to the combined health of all Creatures and Maintained Structures on it. Creatures and Terrian are considered within Line of Sight, and non-Terrian Structures may be played directly onto terrian.)
All Structures built on this terrain cost one less (unless it was one to begin with) in each build category to construct.
(T=0, H=0)
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Adam Pilkington
C

[Thrall King]

What happens if someone stacks terrains? i.e. What if someone place a Dragon Horde on Bedrock Plains and then built a Lair on the Horde? Does it cost 2 and 2 or 3 and 3? What if I stacked Plains?

[WildfireCEO]

their is nothing that i have seen agaisnt that which is why I think terrains shouldn't be structures

[Deleted]

I don't know if there are more rules regarding Terrains, other than the reminder text that is written here. It seems conceptually weird to have a Terrain over a Terrain.

Notwithstanding, the rules here provide for Non-Terrain Structures to be played directly on a Terrain, but it doesn't say that Creatures can. In fact, other than the come-into-play ability on the Terrain, I don't even know how exactly you move creatures onto a Terrain. It would seem you would actions to do it, but like I said, is that provided for in the rules anywhere?

[Thrall King]

You know, the reminder text on the card is so small, I must have skipped the part with the non-terrain qualifier. I don't think I can stack them now, but I might be wring. Fortunately I have not tried this in game, so I am not embarassed.

[Keith Katsikas]

Last I knew there was no way to move a structure around in play once in play, thusfor I see no way to get a Terrain onto another Terrain.

[redshirt]

admin said:

Last I knew there was no way to move a structure around in play once in play, thusfor I see no way to get a Terrain onto another Terrain.

Not that it's relevant for this discussion, but technically, Trade Agreement could move a Structure around in play, right? At least, it moves it from my side of the board to your side.

I have to say I don't look forward to some wiseacre trying to argue that a card is not a "Terrian" so you could play it on a "Terrain." And you know that there will be one.

[Thrall King]

admin said:

Last I knew there was no way to move a structure around in play once in play, thusfor I see no way to get a Terrain onto another Terrain.

Sorry that was a misread. I did not see that the structure brought into play on a terrain had to be non-terrain. My bad. I was thinking of playing a Plains on a Plains.

[Deleted]

But as Red has pointed out, there are still questions over the full comprehensive details about the characteristic of Terrains. I'm currently still waiting for an answer as well...

[Keith Katsikas]

Red, you're right about being concerned regarind Trade Agreement and other cards like it in the future. We should discuss ways to remedy this before it become a serious issue. As for "Cards" not being "Terrains" I am not worrying myself over that. I know that in Magic this tends to be an issue because they have made the game confusing by saying that Creatures are actually NOT creatures until they have been summoned, until that time they are considered Spells, not cards. But still, it is a bit confusing. In this game we have resources, and those resources are what they are at face value, before drawn, while in hand, and in play.

[Deleted]

Ok, I don't think we're getting anywhere. Magic nor any other ccg has anything to do with it.

Let's take things 1 step at a time.

Besides having to put a Creature forcibly on the Terrain as it comes into play, where on the reminder text or in the rules does it say that a Creature can be hired on a Terrain or may use actions to move onto a terrain? (All I'm asking is if this has been added to the Comprehensive rulebook?)

Otherwise, what impact to Terrains have at face value?

[Keith Katsikas]

A terrain follows all the same rules as any other structure; only creatures on a terrain are not taken out of line of sight and remain in play. As for creatures and structures being played directly onto a terrain, you're right, perhaps this needs to be added to the comp rules along with the reminder text.

[redshirt]

Maybe this is more a question about the card Trade Agreement, but let's say that I have a Bedrock Plains with a creature on it and a Structure. You trade one of your structures for the Bedrock Plains.

Do you also get the structure on the Bedrock Plains and/or the creature on it?

[Deleted]

I think Red that this question certainly belongs here because the greatest inquiry is of the nature of Terrains. I still don't think they are referred to at all in the rules, so my honest assessment is that the game right now doesn't know how to treat this phenomenon.

I could infer of course that any Creatures or Structures on a traded or controlled Terrain go along with it.

Of course, all of this IMO will also need providing for. Now that this has gotten so messy I wish it would have been discussed in Chambers where it always belonged since there is already a topic there dedicated to Terrains.

My question still resides in that the term "treated like regular Structures" is not comprehensive. In the rulebook, the term "building" says that creatures may enter it by using actions (that is of course if that building provides that ability). As for Walls, I don't know where it is defined in the rules that Creatures may use an action to enter them. And thus the same can be applied to Terrains. That's my inquiry.

[Keith Katsikas]

WOW, I just realized how poorly written my last post was; I must have been really tired, perhaps even sleeping. It's fixed now.