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Post by synergy on Jun 13, 2006 13:19:26 GMT -5
i think it is very odd that all of u guys are making SECRET DECKS. it is very rare, at least in magic and VS, that a "SECRET DECK" does really good at top tourneys even with huge testing. IMO decks shouldnt be hidden too long without being played but thats just me.
and about archers. there is a problem with the card. i can personally deal with the card fairly well with most of my decks. but it is VERY possible i cnat. and the turns i cant... i lose.
this is an easy to get kill that happened on me and from me....
archers turn one.
battle monger battle monger. GAME.
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Post by redshirt on Jun 13, 2006 13:36:19 GMT -5
Again, now that people know about the Archers, they should know to save an action for their character to defend if Archers come down turn one.
It's very possible, though, that you could put have your opponent tap out later on in the game, and then end up playing Archers and Vorex in play the same turn, use Vorex to untap Archers and then get your five attacks off. If you've already played a Battlemonger, Declaration of War or other combat enhancer, that would be tough to survive.
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Post by spiller on Jun 13, 2006 14:07:47 GMT -5
I know there are ways to deal with it and saving an action with your character is the simplest way. The situation you described above (Vorex) or using simple magic globe does allow a way around it. I am not sure that having a card that deals 10+ points of damage in one turn is balanced even if it does 5 damage to its controller in the process. The fact it is a common makes the combination a bit too easy to attain. It's power alone dictates which opening hands you can keep and how you have to play when it is in your opponents deck. That kind of game changing card should be an ultrarare or a rare.
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Post by spiller on Jun 13, 2006 14:13:19 GMT -5
I forgot to add that I completely agree with Syn. The decks that usually are the most successful are playtested not only among your friends but in tournament sitiuations as well. I am not 100% sure which deck I will play at the regionals but I know it will be one that has been "battle tested".
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Post by synergy on Jun 13, 2006 17:21:48 GMT -5
testing in a tourney is the best way to know unless u are EXTREMLY good at making original and amazing decks.... Mike Flores for magic, some guy that i forgot name but made EMS for VS. i dont know if we have any for ME but i dont think any of u guys should really play a secret deck.. im just warning u.
and as for archers we have to see it a little more b4 a good eratai can be made.
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Post by Arashi on Jun 13, 2006 18:24:48 GMT -5
O.K. I guess "secret" was a bad choice of words.  I simply meant that I think everyone is using all of their previous experience to try and build a good deck that others may have overlooked. Of course a deck that hasn't been tested in a real tournament situation probably wouldn't work. But people with tournament experience have a good idea about what deck types are usually played. We are going to try and build decks that can stand up to the decks that are mostly played these days and be ready for them. And in the process we may notice something that we ourselves may have overlooked. ;D
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Post by synergy on Jun 13, 2006 18:54:53 GMT -5
that may be what u are doing but Shaun's method is confusing. he isnt playing the deck in a tourney and wont till the MEGA TEAM FACE OFF
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2006 19:58:22 GMT -5
Well, as I said time and again...Unfortunately, us Windies won't be playing in the Faceoff...we'll be your judges...it kinda forbids us from actually playing in the whole thing.
Not that we wouldn't like to. I mean, we haven't necessarily been too concerned with metagaming, playtesting or whatnot as we've been more concerned with rules procedure and enforcement, demoing and playtesting Dark Union. Notwithstanding, I don't believe we're ignorant in the least about the speed of the game and the upper echelon of competition. I know none of you post what you're really hiding, but I think that's kind of a detriment to yourselves. Because you guys are so protective of your "secrets", everyone else, including Windies (and there are more on this site than just me all the time by the way whether y'all know it or not) are secretive too. But I think it would be better for you guys to bust it open and lay the cards on the table. I would. But then again, like I said, I can't play. Still, you'll never know how good you are because you have no frame of comparison. Sure, you guys are the top of the charts, and believe me that we all have great respect for that...but seriously, if this game continues to grow...how long do you think that will really last...realistically? I mean, who else is even on the chart, top 10 or otherwise?
Personally, I myself, even if someof my teammates don't agree or want to admit it, do think you guys are the best at it. I don't know if there is heavy activity of ME Constructed play anywhere besides you. I mean, in Chicago we dabble, but don't have anything serious or regular going...at least not yet. I hope you guys to take it all, because you were the first to discover the gold that there is here...the pioneers if you will. And to that end I wish all of you good luck.
Still, don't make the silly mistake of 1) underestimating the rest of the nation who might for all you know be better that NE or Windies and we'd have no way of knowing, and 2) making statements that make you guys the target...better to keep a low profile or a balls out profile, and you have neither.
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Post by synergy on Jun 13, 2006 20:24:40 GMT -5
i dont think im THE BEST but im alright at magic, doing fairly wel at the JSS champs and i am goin to try PTs after i cant go to JSSes. and in VS ive gone to 2 Pro Circuits. so in general im alright at card games. im not saying anything bad about u guys but i think im OK at this game. up in the NE area me and chris are the best ignoring shaun cause he wont show anyone anything and doesnt play in the tournies. hes holding out for MEGA TEAM FACE OFF.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2006 20:50:36 GMT -5
Hey Syn, you hit the JSS and all that? That's awesome. Wow, check out Mass. players and their well-roundedness. Look out!
Yea, we had a couple in our crew who would top 8 regularly in JSS. One of our boys scored 2nd at States for Illinois like in 2004 or something like that. Yours truly made Top 8 once at a Limited PTQ for Darksteel. I think our store does well overall in M:tg. I suppose we also have a healthy Yugi-oh following too. And I hear that back in the day one of the top Pokemon players in the world played here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2006 21:01:43 GMT -5
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Post by Arashi on Jun 13, 2006 23:59:02 GMT -5
Well, as I said time and again...Unfortunately, us Windies won't be playing in the Faceoff...we'll be your judges...it kinda forbids us from actually playing in the whole thing. Not that we wouldn't like to. I mean, we haven't necessarily been too concerned with metagaming, playtesting or whatnot as we've been more concerned with rules procedure and enforcement, demoing and playtesting Dark Union. Notwithstanding, I don't believe we're ignorant in the least about the speed of the game and the upper echelon of competition. I know none of you post what you're really hiding, but I think that's kind of a detriment to yourselves. Because you guys are so protective of your "secrets", everyone else, including Windies (and there are more on this site than just me all the time by the way whether y'all know it or not) are secretive too. But I think it would be better for you guys to bust it open and lay the cards on the table. I would. But then again, like I said, I can't play. Still, you'll never know how good you are because you have no frame of comparison. Sure, you guys are the top of the charts, and believe me that we all have great respect for that...but seriously, if this game continues to grow...how long do you think that will really last...realistically? I mean, who else is even on the chart, top 10 or otherwise? Personally, I myself, even if someof my teammates don't agree or want to admit it, do think you guys are the best at it. I don't know if there is heavy activity of ME Constructed play anywhere besides you. I mean, in Chicago we dabble, but don't have anything serious or regular going...at least not yet. I hope you guys to take it all, because you were the first to discover the gold that there is here...the pioneers if you will. And to that end I wish all of you good luck. Still, don't make the silly mistake of 1) underestimating the rest of the nation who might for all you know be better that NE or Windies and we'd have no way of knowing, and 2) making statements that make you guys the target...better to keep a low profile or a balls out profile, and you have neither.  No one can really say that until they have beaten everybody else. However, that doesn't prevent us from thinking that we are good. Up in the New England area there are a handful of people who could be classified as "good" going by the standards we ourselves follow. For all we know there may be players out there who can cream us in an instant,  but we won't know until the MEGA face off. So right now all we can go by are the standards that we know, and if we ever say that we are good, it is because we are at the highest point in those standards. Somewhere else, you Windies for instance, my have higher or lower standards for what is good, but that we will not know.
Anyway, with that being said, no one can be classified as THE BEST...yet. All we can do right now is prepare ourselves for the Mega face off and give our best performance. I look forward to playing a game or two against some of you Windies, even if it's not in the tournament. ;D It shall be fun to say the least.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2006 0:47:24 GMT -5
Fair enough. But I would just like to say that I didn't accuse any of you guys of thinking you were the best...I simply suggested that you might be. I know you and your posse are good. I think we do ok, but that I ever tried to compare the 2 groups, which I don't think I've done, even if some of you already may have.
That being said, I personally don't actually care about any of that. What I would like to see is more decks currently winning tournaments in Constructed. The reason being is that top decks should already be established and public by now, for all people in the whole country. I would like to see reports of decks winning in NE, Chicago, Cali, Florida, everywhere. I want someone in the sticks copying your deck and seeing if it breaks their tourney so that they may grow as players. I want you guys to see the possible crap the rest of the nation is playing. Of course, someone will assuredly build a deck privately that can dominate the metagame leading up to the Faceoff, and if that deck can handle the current top decks and all the rogue crap as well, then that's a worthy champion. Don't you think? I'm not suggesting people publicize their genius, ideas, or strategies (unless they want to). But I do suggest that sanctioned tournament winning and runner-up decklists be posted here, maybe even on a new category. No lies or embellishments, just allow others the access to see the deck that other players may have already lost to.
If it helps and if I see any support of this idea, (and I'll take your word for it), I myself will start with the exact decklists that won Indy's Regional.
Why would I suggest this or care if us Windies aren't going to play the Faceoff anyway? For the general public who has potential to learn and love this game. Having access to tournament winning strategies or decklists has always been a draw to any game and all of you know it. It is an invaluable tool that someone like myself who has taken the responsibility of teaching and spreading ME shouldn't go without. Besides, the players who are good have nothing to lose and instead gain the opportunity to make themselves better. I think I'm a pretty decent player, but do you think I would just copy a list any of you posted and go play with it? The answer is no, I wouldn't. But I would, like some of you I'm sure, use information to prepare, anticipate, adapt...to take the best anyone has got and out-do them while still holding the rest of the world at bay. Think about what terms any of us want to win on. You want to win knowing that anyone had the same opportunity to do the things you did, and for whatever reason, you were just the best.
And that's my rant.
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Post by Arashi on Jun 14, 2006 1:18:05 GMT -5
Okay, I see what you are saying Q. I do agree that new players seeing some of the top decks would be good for them so they can have an idea of the kind of things being played at tourneys around here. Since I plan on making about three decks anyways(one for the next 3 tourneys, one for regionals, and one for the Mega face off), I will go ahead and post the deck that I will use at the next tourney on Thursday afterwords. I'm still working on it right now, but after the tourney Thursday, it will be up. People can go ahead and see how I think when building decks. I may even post some of my thoughts on the deck and even a little of the general strategy. I hope that will help everyone gather some ideas. I do like the point of seeing who's best off of merit and skill rather then just having some unknown deck. It's not really any fun playing against someone who doesn't know as much about the game as some of us might and it's definitely not worth beating someone because of it. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2006 1:26:32 GMT -5
Awesome. But I don't want it just to be you either. Try to encourage others. We Windies will try to contribute what we can...
...just maybe later when I'm less tired. Isn't it like 2:30 am right now out there you crazy kid?
Thanks for your support!
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I simply meant that I think everyone is using all of their previous experience to try and build a good deck that others may have overlooked. Of course a deck that hasn't been tested in a real tournament situation probably wouldn't work. But people with tournament experience have a good idea about what deck types are usually played. We are going to try and build decks that can stand up to the decks that are mostly played these days and be ready for them. And in the process we may notice something that we ourselves may have overlooked. ;D
No one can really say that until they have beaten everybody else. However, that doesn't prevent us from thinking that we are good. Up in the New England area there are a handful of people who could be classified as "good" going by the standards we ourselves follow. For all we know there may be players out there who can cream us in an instant, 
but we won't know until the MEGA face off. So right now all we can go by are the standards that we know, and if we ever say that we are good, it is because we are at the highest point in those standards. Somewhere else, you Windies for instance, my have higher or lower standards for what is good, but that we will not know. 