Sneaky Snyder

[Keith Katsikas]

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Sneaky Snyder
Goblin
Rogue
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HIDDEN
Sneaky Snyder enters Play Disengaged.
May use an Action to steal any Target item in Play within L.O.S.
If Sneaky Snyder leaves Play return all items he is holding to their owner’s Hand.
Sacrifice: Recruit one item from your Resource Pile, Discard Pile, or your Out of Game Pile.
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Bill Corbett
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[rohoe]

Recruitment Camp
Creatures under your control with Recruit have Speed 8 and cards you Recruit are placed directly into Play.

Sneaky Snyder
Sneaky Snyder enters Play Disengaged. May use an Action to steal any Target item in Play within L.O.S.If Sneaky Snyder leaves Play return all items he is holding to their owner’s Hand. Sacrifice: Recruit one item from your Resource Pile, Discard Pile, or your Out of Game Pile.

My question is….

Is Sneaky Snyder considered to have “Recruit” when he blows himself up to recruit an item and if so would that item come into play if there was a built recruitment camp in play.

Thanks

[Keith Katsikas]

Even though it seems to defy login, the rules say yes, as do I.

Sorry, I had to correct myself. Please see my newer post on this matter.

[rohoe]

OK Related question if a wizard cast "Beacon to the Gods" to recruit and angle would the Wizard have "Recuit" to satisfy the wording on Recruitment camp?

[Keith Katsikas]

No

[skippy]

how come one gets the ok and the other doesnt. Please show me the difference.

[Arashi]

In my opinion, I think neither the sneaky snyder nor the beacon would work. Reason being is that recruitment camp says "creatures under your control with recruit" as in the recruit ability, not just a part of the card rext. True, sneaky snyder may say recruit an item, but thats just this games way of telling you to search your deck for something. I can see why keith said that it works, but I just wanted to be sure that it doesnt require the ability "recruit". The beacon definitly would not work because the spell says "recruit" and not a creature, so it wouldnt even satisfy the text of recruitment camp in that way.

[Keith Katsikas]

The reason is the wording of Recruitment Camp: Creatures you control with Recruit have Speed 8 and cards THEY Recruit are placed directly into Play. This clearly states that cards recruited by Creatures with RECRUIT are recruited directly into play, not cards recruited with a spell, or through any other means.

[Keith Katsikas]

arashi said:

In my opinion, I think neither the sneaky snyder nor the beacon would work. Reason being is that recruitment camp says "creatures under your control with recruit" as in the recruit ability, not just a part of the card rext. True, sneaky snyder may say recruit an item, but thats just this games way of telling you to search your deck for something. I can see why keith said that it works, but I just wanted to be sure that it doesnt require the ability "recruit". The beacon definitly would not work because the spell says "recruit" and not a creature, so it wouldnt even satisfy the text of recruitment camp in that way.

You have a valid point, and after closer examination of the cards in questions, I rule that Sneaky Snyder's ability does not work with Recruitment Camp, nor does the Beacon to the Gods. Only creatures that have the mechanic RECRUIT in bold red lettering work with Recruitment Camp. Sorry for the mess-up.

[Deleted]

Agreed...I was going to argue in Chambers but haven't had the time. You can Purify all of Sneaky's abilities but cannot Purify a card with the Recruit Mechanic, which is what the 'Camp' augments anyway. They are indeed different.

Recruit and recruit should be defined separately in the rulebook, one the mechanic and the other the defintition of the verb for ME.

Good Catch, Arashi...

[JChadbourne]

What happens if Sneaky steals an item that is only ment for a character? Does it still go on sneaky and then once he gets disengaded he can move that item, or does the item for "Character only" get discarded or is set to a floating area? Any help woudl be great, thanks

[redshirt]

Creatures can have items on them that only work on Characters. Those items, naturally, won't work while they are attached to the Creatures.

So you can have Sneaky Snyder take an item from an opponent one turn and then use an action to give it to your Character and have your Character use it.

[JChadbourne]

I have a question abotu this card...

Can you defend with him and then use his action to steal and item. He would then die and the item would return to items owners hand.?.

There are other cards that I have this same question on.

Does the defending event have to resolve before enacting another event? Such as defending needs to resolve befor eyou can use an action even though the creatures action is faster then the 0 speed of combat??

[Nosferatu]

You could Block with Sneaky Snyder, then Steal an Item in the same event. You cannot use an action to Defend and use an action to Steal an item. If you tried, the result would be stealing an item, then not being able to defend because you don't have an action remaining. But it should work while blocking, for the effect of blocking the attacker and returning an item to owner's hand.

[redshirt]

Actually, as I understand it, if you declare him as a blocker and then use his sacrifice-to-find-an-item ability, the first ability resolves at speed 6. Sneaky Snyder is no longer around when combat damage is resolved at speed 0 and so the character/structure originally being attacked takes all the damage instead.