Keith Katsikas
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Post by Keith Katsikas on Nov 3, 2006 23:57:20 GMT -5
007 Bone Dragon Undead Wyrm 15 1 3 1 When a Dragon would be put into your Cemetery, if Bone Dragon is in your Cemetery, you may return Bone Dragon to play under your control. 0 0 0 0 0 Santiago Iborra UC
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Azurin Malkarie
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Post by Azurin Malkarie on Apr 5, 2007 1:29:20 GMT -5
why is he not a dragon? That means need 4 cards out to get Xamber's full affect, oh well I'll just give him magical wings.
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Post by Keith Katsikas on Apr 5, 2007 9:42:22 GMT -5
The same reason a skeleton warrior is not a human, elf, or dwarf.
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Post by Nosferatu on Apr 5, 2007 15:16:10 GMT -5
Moreso than what Keith said, Bone Dragon would be nearly impossible to kill with a playset in play/graveyard. They'd keep bringing each other back. I honestly think it's better for gameplay this way. It's still a good card, one of the few in Dark Union.
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Post by JChadbourne on Apr 5, 2007 16:31:55 GMT -5
I am not so sure that the answers here are all that supportive.
Bone Dragon, well it has dragon in the title, so one would assume it it s a dragon. You gave him a type of wyrm, hmmm great so lets add a new creture type tot he game that does not do anyhting and not have any more dragons that have a point already. As for having a play set in the graveyard, great make it so any dragon besides bone dragen enters the graveyard. You have that mentioned on cards already...
As for skeleton worrior, your right but at least he is undead. grat make the bone dragon undead, dont make it a useless creature type unless you are going to be making a new creature type:wyrm...
just my 2 cents
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Azurin Malkarie
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Post by Azurin Malkarie on Apr 5, 2007 18:29:17 GMT -5
wyrm already is a sub type, is Braq a wyrm. Okay then, I understand it's undead, but then it really aught to have a differn't name like perhaps Bone Wyrm
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Post by Nosferatu on Apr 6, 2007 15:05:31 GMT -5
First off, Bone Dragon is Undead. Second, Creature type and subtype is a bit up in the air anyway. I think we have 3 Mythical creatures, 1 Mystical creature, 1 Halfling, 1 Minotaur, etc. That being the case, I don't think the fact it is a Wyrm is negetive. Perhaps this is a game dynamic that should be changed though.
I don't think the name needs to be changed simply because Dragon is in the name. After all, Bone Mage doesn't count as a Skeleton. Starlit Fairy doesn't count as a Fairy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2007 16:50:58 GMT -5
Nos, you're missing the point.
1) Bone Dragon is annoyingly confusing because his name happens to carry the name of a type/subtype in the game that he doesn't even have. You wouldn't expect a "Lord of all Humans" card to be a Demon either. R&D should refrain from allowing these oversights in the future if at all possible lest there is a very good reason for it. As a player, I can tell you that situations like these always annoy me as well...it goes right up there with creatures that are depicted soaring through the air and with wings and yet don't have Flying. Argh!
2) Both responses that our good friends Azurin and JC got were not supportive at all. (I would go into further detail about what I think it was, but I'll choose to refrain from such negativity). Neither were any good at arriving at an understanding with a player/customer who is taking interest in ME. Any question asked of us is a good one.
Azurin and JC...I'm sure I can speak for all of us when I say we apologize for that. While I completely agree with you guys in that it probably should have been a dragon, I do have to defer to the point that at this time it probably doesn't cause enough disruption to rectify by issuing errara or the like. I do hope though that as ME continues to rely on MEGA Extreme Team for many R&D features, we can collectively catch issues such as this one on a timely basis.
As it is now, I will tell you that I still find the card powerful enough that I use 2 copies in a combo deck and they work well. If there is anything else that can be done about some of these issues, know that we're all trying to get to them, and we appreciate all the help we can get. Thanks ahead of time.
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Post by JChadbourne on Apr 8, 2007 19:17:44 GMT -5
I guess my issue with this card is that it said "dragon" in the name. There are dragon cards in play and that are supposed to be getting support form each set, why not make a simple change and offer another creature to be playable in another deck.
You say that he is good but could and would he be better if he were a dragon, this topic could be argued until everyone is blue in the face. I would rather not do that so we will leave it as is.
I do hope in the future that cards like this will at least hold true to there name in regards to there subtype.
No about your options for example: I don't think the name needs to be changed simply because Dragon is in the name. After all, Bone Mage doesn't count as a Skeleton. Starlit Fairy doesn't count as a Fairy.
Bone Mage: Bone mage, as I understand it would only refer to being undead. He is not a skeletal mage, thus does not have to be a skeleton, but if there was a skeleton mage I would hope that he would be a skeleton.
Starlit Fairy: Hmmm, are there fairies in the game currently? I think that most fairies are either ghosts or spirits? That would not have to be changed because "Fairy" is not in the game at this point but if it were, I would argue that each card with a creature subtype in the name of the card also is to be considered a creature of that subtype as well as any other subtype already on the card.
Why make the game more confusing. I don’t think that you would call a human solder, undead, because in that case I would hope the title would be called skeleton solder...
As always, Just my 2 cents
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