Festering Golem

[Keith Katsikas]

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Festering Golem
Mystical
Golem
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GUARDIAN
TRUE LOYALTY
(Hiring or Playing a Golem requires 2 actions, one by your character and one by a creature with at least 1 point in every magicial ability category. If the creature used to help Hire or Play the Golem becomes Disengaged for any reason the Golem deals its power in damage to your Character and is RFG. If a Golem leaves play for any reason it is RFG.)
When Flesh Golem enters play Fully Engage target Character. That Character suffers 3 damage.
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Uwe Jarling
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[plmrelm]

Card name says Festering Golem, card text says Flesh Golem.

[Deleted]

I've told Keith about this one many times. So many times in fact that I almost wonder if it isn't a mistake, but how can it not be?

[Keith Katsikas]

It is a mistake, and one that regretably made its way to print. I am currently in the process of going through every single card and making sure there are no other mistakes like this and I will be posting the changes needed shortly. I have found one other already... I'm sure you have pointed it out in another thread.

[Thrall King]

I have a question that may be common sense, but it was brought up by a player none the less. I was wondering about if a creature used to hire a golem leaves play prior to disengaging, what happens? This question goes for all other cards that depend on the caster disengaging.

[WildfireCEO]

Azurin says if its removed it doesn't disengage so it shouldn't effect the hiring of the golem

[Thrall King]

An exploitable loophole, excellent. This makes the Apprentices, goblin wizards, and the Sacrificial lambs more useful.

[Deleted]

I don't think those Goblin Wizards have a magic stat in every category, do they? Either way, yes, we've seen this loophole before in 1st Edition. An engaged destroyed creature doesn't trigger disengaging effects. I would have to agree as well.

I have a different question. Does the rule of Golems apply even if a Golem is slavemastered out? Does the Character, a creature with a magical stat in every category, and the Slavemaster creature all engage? Or can you not even do this?

[Thrall King]

queue said:

I don't think those Goblin Wizards have a magic stat in every category, do they? Either way, yes, we've seen this loophole before in 1st Edition. An engaged destroyed creature doesn't trigger disengaging effects. I would have to agree as well.

Don't worry, I was not talking about the golems when refferring to the goblins, though it is possible to give them the magic with an item, and then boost them just so they die.

[JChadbourne]

can you wandering cleric them into play since you are not recruiting him??

[Keith Katsikas]

You can play him using a wandering cleric, however, you still need to use an action by your character as well in addition to the action by the cleric.

[JChadbourne]

I believe that my question may not have been phased correctly.

If Festering Golem is in your graveyard, are you able to to you wandering cleric ability to return him to play?

Wandering Cleric: May use an action to return any target creature from any cemetery to play under its owners control.

With the wording above i dont think that you are playing him since the wondering Cleric is the one returning him from the cemetery. Or does is the "Hiring or Playing a Golem requires 2 actions, one by your character and one by a creature with at least 1 point in every magicial ability category" on the festering golem making reference to this?

If that is the case then wandering cleric would not be able to bring him into play, unless you wanted to use 3 actions? 1 from your character, 1 by a creature that has 1 in every magical ability category and also the one by wandering cleric?

Also what about pathfinder? Does this mean that he cannot bring in the festering golem as well? I thought that witht he other elemental cards that he could bring them into play even though they required 2 actions, 1 from your character and 1 from a wizard.

This seams like it could have the same arguement, since your character is not the one hiring it. Unless the "Playing" on festering golem is making the difference?

[Thrall King]

With elementals, you only need todo the 2 and 1 actions when hiring them since that is how they are worded. The golems took care of this loophole by saying "when hiring or playing" which includes anything that would bring the golem into play.

[Keith Katsikas]

Thrall King is correct. Look for a copy of Mystical Diploma, this item will give any creature (or character) using it a bonus of 1 in each of their Magical Abilities.

[Deleted]

That was a good question, JC, and by my account your confusion is justified being that I was once right there with you.

In the majority of other ccgs I can think of, the act of "playing" a card included putting it to play from your hand. However, this game does clearly state that this is called "Hiring" for creatures (It is important to note that it is "playing" for non creatures)

One thing I came to understand is that ME defines anything that would put a creature into play as "playing" it. So yes, a Wandering Cleric, a Slavemaster, a Pathfinder, and just about anything you can think of will infact still trigger the Golem effects.

The good thing to come out of your question though is that I noticed that "playing" is not in the rulebook as defined.

*Keith- "Play, To Play, Playing" or something like that will have to be defined in the good book.