Brainwasher

[Keith Katsikas]

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Brainwasher
Human
Rogue
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SLAVEMASTER
Each slave brought into play by Brainwasher is instantly destroyed and a Zombie Token enters play in its place. Enter Play Abilities on Creatures being played by Brainwasher have no effect.
These Zombie Tokens are considered Slaves.
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Chris Seaman
UC

[Thrall King]

But what happens to the zombies when they are freed? Since they are not owned by the owner of the creaure, what happens?

[Keith Katsikas]

When a creature is Freed it leaves play, then re-enters play under theor owner's control. So these Zombie Tokens would leave play and vanish. Sucks to be a token.

[Thrall King]

Ah, good thing I am going to use them for Crystal Ball.

[redshirt]

So the Zombie Slave tokens are 1/1, right? Or are they 2/2? (Slaves get -1/-1 IIRC).

Do the Leave Play abilities on the creatures enslaved by Brainwasher trigger? There's nothing on the card that would stop it.

[Deleted]

I believe they are in fact 1/1 Zombies, and all the Leave Play abilities should be intact.

[Keith Katsikas]

They are 1/1 Zombie Tokens, because they are considered slaves, however, they have no "Leave Play" abilities since they are not the original creatures.

[redshirt]

admin said:

They are 1/1 Zombie Tokens, because they are considered slaves, however, they have no "Leave Play" abilities since they are not the original creatures.

Let me try to be a little clearer with the second part of my question with a specific example.

I use Brainwasher to Slavemaster out a Plaguebearer. Instantly, the Plaguebearer is destroyed and I get a 1/1 Zombie Slave. Plaguebearer goes to the cemetery (presumably).

Does the part about "When Plaguebearer is put in a Cemetery you may put a Zombie token into play" trigger, giving me a 2/2 Zombie in addition to my 1/1 Zombie Slave?

As the card lies now, I would say yes.

[spiller]

Cards don't lie, people do. That being said, I would agree with your assessment and that the Plaguebearer would trigger, giving you a non slaved, 2/2 zombie in addition to the slave 1/1 zombie.

[Keith Katsikas]

The way the card is currently worded this works. Yes. This is not as it was intended to work. Amaizing how one word can change the way the card works. This card should have stated "Instantly Discarded" instead of "Instantly Destroyed" But it is what it is and I personally think it is better now than the way it was intended to work.

[Thrall King]

I agree, since I intend to use it with corpse collector and get another zombie. They will never have a chance to use the creature and I get 2 zombies.

[redshirt]

Thrall King, you have me a little confused when you say "they." I believe there's a rule in effect that you cannot Slavemaster creatures from your opponents' decks, only your own.

So if you use Brainwasher on something like Plaguebearer while you have Corpse Collector in play, you would get a 1/1 Zombie Slave and a 2/2 Zombie, and then you could remove the dead Plaguebearer to get a second 2/2 Zombie.

[Thrall King]

You and I are both at a disadvantage in this case, since the wording of Slavemaster has changed in the rules. In the latest book, they can only come from their controllers pile, and have inly one health while the old rules state that they can come from any pile and only have -1/-1.

Here is my question, I run a Thandore deck, what happens if the zomie does abandon if the Brainwasher is invisible? Does the damage of abandoning target?

[redshirt]

As I read the rule book, abandoning doesn't depend on targeting to work. So it wouldn't matter if Brainwasher were invisible either through Thandore or Dust of Invisibility or some other means.

[Thrall King]

Thing is that a slave deals damage to the creature with slavemaster, which sounds as though it targets the creature that enslaved it.